NAZIS OR SOV'S?! - Wicked Zombies2024-03-28T15:32:10Zhttp://www.wickedzombies.com/forum/topics/nazis-or-sov-s?commentId=2826695%3AComment%3A460967&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=no;3tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-28:2826695:Comment:4609672012-02-28T12:49:18.442ZStalker Tainthttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/BlackTaint
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<p>;3</p> Seriously, you should look at…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-23:2826695:Comment:4603612012-02-23T03:48:59.506ZStalker Tainthttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/BlackTaint
<p>Seriously, you should look at it like this. You're a MMA fighter in a ring. You're going against someone who has weight and size against you, but he's slow in reactions. So what are you going to do? Try to bring him down and restrain him or pound against him in pressure spots until he fatigues down or is just to withered to be able to fight back. That's what Germany tried to do. It tried to use speed and what ever strength it had to take down it's enemies. Italy didn't help. Japan was…</p>
<p>Seriously, you should look at it like this. You're a MMA fighter in a ring. You're going against someone who has weight and size against you, but he's slow in reactions. So what are you going to do? Try to bring him down and restrain him or pound against him in pressure spots until he fatigues down or is just to withered to be able to fight back. That's what Germany tried to do. It tried to use speed and what ever strength it had to take down it's enemies. Italy didn't help. Japan was countries away with no ability to get any real immediate support either to Germany or from Germany. In all honesty Germany was hit from all sides and still holding out. Imagine taking on the French, Americans, British, Russians and any rounded up Italians willing to fight against Germany. That's what you got towards the end of WWII. It wasn't fair, and Germany took those odds and accounted for it with any land grabbing chances it got. It was just that no matter what they did the odds were to highly against them to do anything.</p> The battles on the Eastern Fr…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-17:2826695:Comment:4599892012-02-17T10:21:39.747ZRedrum: the undead juggalohttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/Redrumtheundeadjuggalo
<p>The battles on the Eastern Front constituted the largest military confrontation in history. They were characterized by unprecedented ferocity, wholesale destruction, mass deportations, and immense loss of life variously due to combat, starvation, exposure, disease, and massacres. The Eastern Front, as the site of nearly all <a href="/wiki/Extermination_camp" title="Extermination camp">extermination camps</a>, <a href="/wiki/Death_marches_(Holocaust)" title="Death marches (Holocaust)">death…</a></p>
<p>The battles on the Eastern Front constituted the largest military confrontation in history. They were characterized by unprecedented ferocity, wholesale destruction, mass deportations, and immense loss of life variously due to combat, starvation, exposure, disease, and massacres. The Eastern Front, as the site of nearly all <a title="Extermination camp" href="/wiki/Extermination_camp">extermination camps</a>, <a title="Death marches (Holocaust)" href="/wiki/Death_marches_(Holocaust)">death marches</a>, <a title="Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe" href="/wiki/Ghettos_in_Nazi-occupied_Europe">ghettos</a>, and the majority of <a title="Pogrom" href="/wiki/Pogrom#During_the_Holocaust">pogroms</a>, was central to the <a class="mw-redirect" title="Holocaust" href="/wiki/Holocaust">Holocaust</a>. Of the <a title="World War II casualties" href="/wiki/World_War_II_casualties">estimated 70 million deaths</a> attributed to <a title="World War II" href="/wiki/World_War_II">World War II</a>, over 30 million,<sup id="cite_ref-30m_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-30m-5"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a></sup> many of them civilians, died on the Eastern Front. The Eastern Front was decisive in determining the outcome of World War II, eventually serving as the main reason for Germany's defeat.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-6"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-7"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-8"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a></sup> It resulted in the destruction of the Third Reich, the <a class="mw-redirect" title="Partition of Germany" href="/wiki/Partition_of_Germany">partition of Germany</a> for <a title="German reunification" href="/wiki/German_reunification">nearly half a century</a> and the rise of the Soviet Union as a military and industrial <a title="Superpower" href="/wiki/Superpower">superpower</a>.</p>
<p>The two principal belligerent powers were Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, along with their respective allies. Though never engaged in military action in the Eastern Front, the <a title="United Kingdom" href="/wiki/United_Kingdom">United Kingdom</a> and the <a title="United States" href="/wiki/United_States">United States</a> both provided substantial material aid to the Soviet Union. The Soviet-Finnish <a title="Continuation War" href="/wiki/Continuation_War">Continuation War</a> may be considered the northern flank of the Eastern Front. In addition, the joint <a title="Operation Silver Fox" href="/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox">German-Finnish operations</a> across the northernmost Finnish-Soviet border and in the <a title="Murmansk Oblast" href="/wiki/Murmansk_Oblast">Murmansk region</a> are also considered part of the Eastern Front.</p> to a degree he is right. it t…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4598302012-02-15T20:05:42.947ZKOMRAD RHINO☭http://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/georgecrabbe
<p>to a degree he is right. it took the combined might of Russia on one side. the USA on another side. the UK hitting from the final side and the French Resistance to close off any escape routes. when all the people Hitler stepped on united and turned to fight. Hitler was El Fuckoed. the US and the UK were doing a decent job. but were able to close the deal when Stalin and Russia joined in on the fight against him. had Hitler not screwed Stalin over when the Non Aggression Pack was signed.…</p>
<p>to a degree he is right. it took the combined might of Russia on one side. the USA on another side. the UK hitting from the final side and the French Resistance to close off any escape routes. when all the people Hitler stepped on united and turned to fight. Hitler was El Fuckoed. the US and the UK were doing a decent job. but were able to close the deal when Stalin and Russia joined in on the fight against him. had Hitler not screwed Stalin over when the Non Aggression Pack was signed. Hitler would have had a very strong ally in Stalin and Russia and very well could have won the war. it was by fortune and the grace of god that Hitler's lust for world domination kept him from keeping his word and Russia became the stronger ally to the USA, France and the UK.</p> Add the USA and the UK and al…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4596572012-02-15T16:15:55.572ZZombie_Xhttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/SamWalker
<p>Add the USA and the UK and all the other countries that were hostile to Germany, then you have the collapse of the third Reich</p>
<p>Add the USA and the UK and all the other countries that were hostile to Germany, then you have the collapse of the third Reich</p> You're a joke little boy-let…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4599742012-02-15T16:15:02.663ZKomrad Kommissar Fennekhttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/KomradFennek
You're a joke little boy-let it go
You're a joke little boy-let it go that is another good point. H…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4599152012-02-15T15:45:40.130ZKOMRAD RHINO☭http://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/georgecrabbe
<p>that is another good point. Hitler relied mainly on fast hard hitting attacks and brute force. nice but very sloppy thinking. all because they worked in other countries does not mean they will always work. also when it came to his invasion of Russia. he was not only facing the Russian Army. he was facing the terrain, the weather, and the people as a whole. he never had this kind of resistance in any other country. the people in Russia had enough time before they were hit to see how Germany…</p>
<p>that is another good point. Hitler relied mainly on fast hard hitting attacks and brute force. nice but very sloppy thinking. all because they worked in other countries does not mean they will always work. also when it came to his invasion of Russia. he was not only facing the Russian Army. he was facing the terrain, the weather, and the people as a whole. he never had this kind of resistance in any other country. the people in Russia had enough time before they were hit to see how Germany took over countries like France and had time to prepare for it. so when Hitler sent in poorly prepared troops. they had a hell of a surprise in store for them and sent them back with tail tuck in back to an already over extended and exhausted Germany.</p> The Nazis also failed to take…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4599132012-02-15T15:34:10.024ZZombie_Xhttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/SamWalker
<p>The Nazis also failed to take Russia due to Hitler's leadership. His plans were all wrong, and when Russia fought back, I don't think they were expecting that sort of opposition. They were still using the Blitzkrieg tactic, but with the winter weather and fuel shortages slowing them down, nothing could power their mighty tanks. Maybe if Hitler concentrated a little more on logistics instead of sending them forward with no supply lines, then the outcome may have been different. He could have…</p>
<p>The Nazis also failed to take Russia due to Hitler's leadership. His plans were all wrong, and when Russia fought back, I don't think they were expecting that sort of opposition. They were still using the Blitzkrieg tactic, but with the winter weather and fuel shortages slowing them down, nothing could power their mighty tanks. Maybe if Hitler concentrated a little more on logistics instead of sending them forward with no supply lines, then the outcome may have been different. He could have destroyed Britain easy, if he had maintained the bombing of the airfields, destroying the RAF which later on would keep us in the fight. The tactic of bombing our cities to lower morale had the exact opposite effect and our production rates went through the roof shortly after, so again a mistake on his part. </p> i never denied him anything.…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4596542012-02-15T15:08:26.360ZKOMRAD RHINO☭http://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/georgecrabbe
<p>i never denied him anything. i merely pointed out that the terrain and weather being used to their advantage was one of their major strengths. if the Nazis did this then yes, they would have been a superior force there. but they relied mainly on their machines and technology. for all those advances. the Nazis underestimated the fact that the Russian people as a whole would look at it with an "If I cant have it. You won't either" outlook and would rather burn it all and lay it to waist then…</p>
<p>i never denied him anything. i merely pointed out that the terrain and weather being used to their advantage was one of their major strengths. if the Nazis did this then yes, they would have been a superior force there. but they relied mainly on their machines and technology. for all those advances. the Nazis underestimated the fact that the Russian people as a whole would look at it with an "If I cant have it. You won't either" outlook and would rather burn it all and lay it to waist then surrender it to an opposing force. and the cold weather gear the Nazis had was way insufficient for a Siberian winter. Germany's weather in winter is drastically lighter even at its worst in winter. if the German leaders had taken the weather into account in their reconnaissance. then they may have won despite the Scorched Earth policy the whole country took. this and other factors go to show that brute force and higher technology does not make a superior force. if that was the case. the Afghan people would not have been able to have repelled the Russian forces in the early to late 1980's when Russia tried to take over Afghanistan. all the Afghan people had was antique weapons and a few weapons they procured from fallen Russian soldiers and what Stinger Rockets the USA gave them. yet they won. there are cases all through history where what was considered a lesser force repelled what can be considered a superior force.</p> Once more, that's not strengt…tag:www.wickedzombies.com,2012-02-15:2826695:Comment:4598282012-02-15T13:30:22.796ZStalker Tainthttp://www.wickedzombies.com/profile/BlackTaint
<p>Once more, that's not strength. That's a last ditch effort to try and stay alive. Russians don't have anything in the center of their vast country, so instead they were based around where Germany was plowing through. In truth, Germany was stronger, and their military could have devoured the Russians if it wasn't for the cold. They were stalled constantly on the advance, support to forever to arrive, supplies some times didn't get to any camps, and the weather froze soldiers to death. So yes,…</p>
<p>Once more, that's not strength. That's a last ditch effort to try and stay alive. Russians don't have anything in the center of their vast country, so instead they were based around where Germany was plowing through. In truth, Germany was stronger, and their military could have devoured the Russians if it wasn't for the cold. They were stalled constantly on the advance, support to forever to arrive, supplies some times didn't get to any camps, and the weather froze soldiers to death. So yes, the weather did kill people. In fact, you put that in your post even though denying that X was right about that.</p>